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		<title>NRLC press release: Here comes the clones</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I have not done this before, I thought I would post the National Right to Life Committee&#8217;s entire April 17 press release expressing their concerns about a possible end-game of embryonic stem cell research: human cloning. For immediate release: Friday, April 17, 2009 For more information: Federal Legislation Department (202) 626-8820; legfederal@aol.com Communications Department [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have not done this before, I thought I would post the National Right to Life Committee&#8217;s entire April 17 <a href="http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release041709.html">press release</a> expressing their concerns about a possible end-game of embryonic stem cell research: human cloning.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">For immediate release:</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Friday, April 17, 2009</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 10px 0in 0pt;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">For more information:</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Federal Legislation Department<br />
(202) 626-8820; <a href="mailto:legfederal@aol.com"> legfederal@aol.com</a><br />
Communications Department<br />
(202) 626-8825; <a href="mailto:mediarelations@nrlc.org"> mediarelations@nrlc.org</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><strong><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> National Right to Life says the Obama Administration is  						pushing step-by-step the creation and harvesting of  						human embryos for research</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="center"><strong><span style="color: black; font-weight: normal;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">WASHINGTON – The National Right to Life  						Committee (NRLC), representing the affiliated  						right-to-life organizations in all 50 states, issued the  						following statement regarding guidelines on embryonic  						stem cell research, published today by the National  						Institutes of Health (NIH).  The statement may be  						attributed to NRLC Legislative Director Douglas Johnson.</span></span></strong><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Obama  						Administration today slides further down the slippery  						slope of exploiting non-consenting members of the human  						species &#8212; human embryos.</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Some may  						characterize the guidelines issued today as narrowly  						crafted, since NIH will not initially fund research  						involving human embryos who were created specifically to  						be used in research.  This seeming restraint is part of  						an incremental strategy intended to desensitize the  						public to the concept of killing human embryos for  						research purposes.  Even today, NIH officials assert  						that they can go much further when they choose to.  NIH  						today badly understates the scope of the longstanding  						law that actually prohibits funding of research that  						creates or harms human embryos, including all creation  						of human embryos by cloning.</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">We believe  						that today&#8217;s action may be part of a &#8220;bait-and-switch&#8221;  						strategy, under which Democratic leaders in Congress  						will suddenly bring up new legislation that they will  						claim codifies today&#8217;s NIH action, but which will in  						fact authorize further expansions involving the  						deliberate creation of human embryos for use in  						research, by human cloning and other methods.  NRLC laid  						out the evidences that such a &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; strategy  						is in the works in a detailed letter sent to members of  						Congress on March 31, which is posted on our website at: </span></span></strong><span style="font-size: x-small;"> <span style="color: navy;"> <a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" title="http://www.nrlc.org/Killing_Embryos/NRLCHousecloningwarning.pdf" href="http://www.nrlc.org/Killing_Embryos/NRLCHousecloningwarning.pdf"> http://www.nrlc.org/Killing_Embryos/NRLCHousecloningwarning.pdf</a></span></span><strong><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">.</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">It is  						noteworthy that in its proposed guidelines today, NIH  						characterizes the Dickey-Wicker Amendment as prohibiting  						federal funding of the &#8220;derivation&#8221; of stem cells from  						human embryos, the term &#8220;derivation&#8221; being a euphemism  						for &#8220;killing a human embryo by cutting out its stem  						cells.&#8221;  It is true that federal funding of such  						activity is prohibited by the Dickey-Wicker Amendment,  						but the prohibition in the Dickey-Wicker Amendment is  						much broader:  It prohibits federal funding of creating  						human embryos by any method, explicitly including human  						cloning, or any &#8220;research in which&#8221; human embryos are  						harmed in any way.</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong> <span style="color: black; font-weight: normal;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">The actual language of the Dickey-Wicker  						law follows:</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><em> <span style="color: black; font-weight: normal;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">***</span></span></em></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><em> <span style="color: black; font-weight: normal;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">SEC. 509. (a) None of the funds made  						available in this Act may be used for (1) the creation  						of a human embryo or embryos for research purposes; OR  						(2) research in which a human embryo or embryos are  						destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of  						injury or death greater than that allowed for research  						on fetuses in utero under 45 CFR 46.204(b) and section  						498(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C.  						289g(b)).  (b) For purposes of this section, the term  						&#8220;human embryo or embryos&#8221; includes any organism, not  						protected as a human subject under 45 CFR 46 as of the  						date of the enactment of this Act, that is derived by  						fertilization, parthenogenesis, cloning, or any other  						means from one or more human gametes or human diploid  						cells. </span></span></em></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">[end of text of the law]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="color: black;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">***</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: x-small;">The National  						Right to Life Committee is the nation&#8217;s largest pro-life  						group with affiliates in all 50 states and over 3,000  						local chapters nationwide.  National Right to Life works  						through legislation and education to protect those  						threatened by abortion, infanticide, euthanasia and  						assisted suicide. </span></em></p>
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		<title>Coming to a clone near you</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to this April 18 article in The Washington Post, the Obama administration on Friday issued compromise rules on federally-funded embryonic stem cell research. The rules would limit research, paid for by taxpayers, to using &#8220;excess&#8221; embryos voluntarily donated by their parents/owners and offered without remuneration. These embryos are now cryogenically stored in IVF and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this April 18 article in <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/17/AR2009041701880.html?hpid%3Dtopnews%26sid%3DST2009041http://www.http://www.washingtonpost.com:80/ac2/wp-dyn?node=admin/registration/register&amp;sub=AR">The Washington Post</a>, the Obama administration on Friday issued compromise rules on federally-funded embryonic stem cell research. The rules would limit research, paid for by taxpayers, to using &#8220;excess&#8221; embryos voluntarily donated by their parents/owners and offered without remuneration. These embryos are now cryogenically stored in IVF and similar facilities.</p>
<p>And yet, attorney and bioethicist <a href="http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2009/04/pretense-about-limited-nature-of.html">Wesley J. Smith</a> speculates that while the <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/policy/2009draft">2009 NIH Guidelines for Stem Cell Research</a> may prohibit human cloning for now, that could change in the next few years. Says Smith,</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . as I have reported at SHS previously, the political <a href="http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2009/03/curtain-opens-on-act-ii-of-great-stem.html">campaign has begun to destroy the Dickey Amendment</a>. Should that happen, it would be legal for the Feds to fund human cloning, the making of embryos for research, and just about anything &#8220;the scientists&#8221; wanted to do in this regard. Once that happened, the NIH would likely revise these guidelines to permit funding for those activities.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Mr. Smith is right. According to a report issued by the the <a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9038/index1.html">RAND Corporation</a>, there are about 400,000 frozen embryos. Of those, only 2.8 percent (or 11,000) have been designated for research. Says RAND,</p>
<blockquote><p>Although the 11,000 embryos designated for research might seem like a large number, the actual number of embryos that might be converted into stem cell lines is likely to be substantially lower. Because assisted reproductive technology clinics generally transfer the best-quality embryos to the patient during treatment cycles, the remaining embryos available to be frozen are not always of the highest quality. (High-quality embryos are those that grow at normal rates.) In addition, some of the frozen embryos have been in storage for many years, and at the time that some of those embryos were created, laboratory cultures were not as conducive to preserving embryos as they are today. Some embryos would also be lost in the freeze-and-thaw process itself.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>RAND believes that only 275 embryonic stem cell lines can be created from available and viable frozen embryos.</strong> &#8220;Even this number is probably an overestimate,&#8221; the report notes.</p>
<p><strong>Thus, it appears we&#8217;re already stimulating demand in order to necessitate supply.</strong> If the Dickey amendment is not renewed next year, it will only take the signature of our Commander in Chief on a new bill permitting federal funds to be used to create, and kill, human clones.</p>
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		<title>11 embryonic stem-cell research arguments&#8211;refuted</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neurobiologist Dr. Maureen L. Condic&#8217;s April 16 &#8220;Does Research Really Need Human Embryos and Cloning?&#8221; in The Daily Beast is a must read. Here&#8217;s an excerpt: Claim: Human embryonic stem-cell research involves only embryos that will be discarded by fertility clinics. False. Human-embryo cloning is the endgame. HESC proponents are now advocating for tax funding [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neurobiologist Dr. Maureen L. Condic&#8217;s April 16 <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-16/does-research-really-need-human-embryos-and-cloning/">&#8220;Does Research Really Need Human Embryos and Cloning?&#8221;</a> in The Daily Beast is a must read. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Claim: Human embryonic stem-cell research involves only embryos that will be discarded by fertility clinics. </strong></p>
<p>False. Human-embryo cloning is the endgame. HESC proponents are now advocating for tax funding of research of embryos created solely for the purpose of research—whether by cloning or fertilization.</p></blockquote>
<p>HT: <a href="http://bioethics.com">Bioethics.com.</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The number of female reversible contraception clients 2007-2008 was down 3.8%, but the number of abortions was up 5.4%. In total, Planned Parenthood destroyed the lives of 305,310 human beings last year through abortion. You can read the report here. Kyrie eleison!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of female reversible contraception clients 2007-2008 was down 3.8%, but the number of abortions was up 5.4%. In total, Planned Parenthood destroyed the lives of 305,310 human beings last year through abortion.</p>
<p>You can read the report <a href="http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/annual-report-4661.htm">here</a>. Kyrie eleison!</p>
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		<title>Tricky Dickey: will human embryos be created for research?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to this piece from LifeNews.com editor Steven Ertelt (March 31), the National Right to Life Committee is warning members of Congress of a bill it anticipates will seek to overturn the longstanding 1996 Dickey-Wicker amendment, which prohibits the creation of human embryos for research. Writes Ertelt, The NRLC letter says &#8220;there is a substantial chance that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2811.html">this piece</a> from LifeNews.com editor Steven Ertelt (March 31), the National Right to Life Committee is warning members of Congress of a bill it anticipates will seek to overturn the longstanding 1996 <a href="http://www.dnapolicy.org/policy.international.php?action=detail&amp;laws_id=36">Dickey-Wicker amendment</a>, which prohibits the creation of human embryos for research.</p>
<p>Writes Ertelt,</p>
<blockquote><p>The NRLC letter says &#8220;there is a substantial chance that you will soon see an attempt to ram through the House of Representatives, on short notice, legislation that would authorize federal funding of research on human embryos created specifically to be used in research.&#8221;</p>
<p>The DeGette embryo destruction bill would &#8220;open the door to federal funding of human cloning and human embryo farms,&#8221; the pro-life group told LifeNews.com.</p>
<p>The letter explains that, contrary to assurances given to members of Congress in the past, the DeGette bill &#8220;will not limit the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to the use of human embryos who are donated by their parents after being &#8216;left over&#8217; at in vitro fertilization clinics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead, the measure would &#8220;empower NIH to use human embryos created especially to be used in research, including embryos created by human cloning,&#8221; NRLC indicates.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Cali-clone-ia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friends, it is absolutely crucial to understand what Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer is, and what it isn&#8217;t. It is cloning; even supporters of SCNT say so, even if only they call it therapeutic (vs. reproductive) cloning. Carefully read this from &#8220;California Stem Cell&#8221; (CSC), a company that apparently sells stem cells and host of complementary products [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, it is absolutely crucial to understand what Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer <em>is</em>, and what it <em>isn&#8217;t.</em> It is cloning; even supporters of SCNT say so, even if only they call it <em>therapeutic</em> (vs. reproductive) cloning.</p>
<p>Carefully read <a href="http://www.californiastemcell.com/scnt">this</a> from &#8220;California Stem Cell&#8221; (CSC), a company that apparently <em>sells </em>stem cells and host of complementary products to aid in ESCR and treatment.</p>
<p>Note their definition of SCNT on this &#8220;Education&#8221; page: a nucleus is injected into an oocyte (egg) in order to produce <em>stem cells</em> (paragraphs 2 and 4). While blastocyst is mentioned (paragraph 4), there&#8217;s no admission on this page that the result is an embryo. (To be fair, CSC mentions this on other pages on its site).</p>
<p>Look carefully at the last paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s a world of difference between <strong>reproductive cloning</strong> &#8211; the use of cloning technology <strong>to create a child</strong> &#8211; and <strong>therapeutic cloning</strong>, the transplanting of a patient&#8217;s own DNA into an unfertilized egg in order <strong>to grow stem cells</strong> that could cure devastating diseases. With therapeutic cloning, the blastocyst can never develop into a person, because there is no fertilization of the egg by sperm, no implantation in the uterus and no pregnancy.</p>
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<p>I hope that our feminist friends don&#8217;t read that last sentence. Because, if I&#8217;ve read it correctly, it takes a <em>sperm</em> to be a person.</p>
<p>On <a href="New cell lines created from fertility treatment discards as well as, in the future, new technologies such as iPS and SCNT, ">another page </a>on CSC&#8217;s site, note the haunting realization that IVF &#8220;discards&#8221; will not be enough to satiate the scientific beast. We&#8217;re going to need more and more embryos, more and more clones:</p>
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New cell lines created from fertility treatment discards as well as, in the future, new technologies such as iPS and <a id="gloss_SCNT" class="gloss_item" onclick="ZoomediaGlossary.show('SCNT', event); return false;">SCNT</a>, will expand the scope and practicality of treatments based on embryonic-type stem cell derivatives.<script type="text/javascript"></script></p></blockquote>
<p>Welcome to California.</p>
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		<title>A response to Bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill, a poster at GetReligion.org has responded to my second post regarding embryonic stem cell research. Fearing that our playful repartee might be cut off  by the GR powers that be, Bill was kind enough to post here at Bioethike (see Bill&#8217;s comment under previous post). Privately, I&#8217;ve promised Bill a response. Here goes: Bill: Robert, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, a poster at GetReligion.org has responded to my second post regarding embryonic stem cell research. Fearing that our playful repartee might be cut off  by the GR powers that be, Bill was kind enough to post here at <em>Bioethike</em> (see Bill&#8217;s comment under previous post). Privately, I&#8217;ve promised Bill a response. Here goes:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Bill: </strong>Robert, I think I’ve found the source of the confusion. I gather that, for you, the term SCNT refers to an entire process that, by definition, results in a clone.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Robert:</strong> Bill, I&#8217;m working with the definition of SCNT provided by the <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#scnt">National Institutes of Health</a> (NIH). Note that SCNT results <em>in an embryo</em>:</p>
<p id="scnt"><strong>Somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT)</strong>—A technique that combines an <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#enucleated">enucleated</a> egg (nucleus removed) and the nucleus of a <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#somaticcell">somatic cell</a> to make an embryo. SCNT can be used for therapeutic or reproductive purposes, but the initial stage that combines an <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#enucleated">enucleated</a> egg and a somatic cell nucleus is the same. See also <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#therapeuticcloning">therapeutic cloning</a> and <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#reproductivecloning">reproductive cloning</a>.&#8221;</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>Bill:</strong> When I first learned the term SCNT from a class, it was presented to me as strictly denoting the act of removing a nucleus from a somatic cell and placing it inside another, enucleated cell (not necessarily an oocyte). In this latter sense, SCNT does not refer to the overall process of cloning (which I oppose), but only to the transfer of a nucleus in general.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Robert:</strong> OK. Must have been an interesting class. If you&#8217;re aware of research going on in which nuclei are being inserted into enucleated non-oocytes, I would be interested in reading more about it.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Bill:</strong> Consider a hypothetical point in the future in which scientists have learned how to manipulate an enucleated oocyte such that when the donor nucleus arrives, the host oocyte reprograms it to express the genes of a self-renewing target cell, such as an adult stem cell, a progenitor cell, or even something like a pancreatic beta cell. The question is: is this modified-oocyte-plus-donor-nucleus an embryonic cell? I would say no, because it’s gene expression and developmental potency would be nowhere near that of an embryonic stem cell. No blastocyst or embryonic stem cells would result from the division of the cell in question. Such a process would involve literal SCNT, but would not constitute SCNT-cloning because no embryo results from any step in the process.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Robert: </strong>Now I think I understand. You&#8217;re confusing types of cells. In layman&#8217;s terms, an oocyte is an <em>egg</em>. In your example, in which a nucleus is injected into an oocyte, you are perfectly describing SCNT, which results in an embryonic clone. Embryonic stem cells taking from such a clone in the blastocyst stage of the development would <em>not </em>need to be further developed into adult stem cells. We can harvest adult stem cells <em>already</em>, without destroying embryos, and use these cells therapeutically. In fact, we&#8217;ve been doing that for more than 40 years.</p>
<p>Further, I think (hope?) that what you&#8217;re trying to support is not &#8220;literal-SCNT,&#8221; as you coin it, but using Induced Pluripotent Stem Cells (iPSCs), which are artificially created from adult cells and do not require the destruction of embryos, as does ESCR. The iPSC process uses viruses to transfect genes to a non-pluripotent adult cell. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell">Wiki </a>describes the process. This research is occuring now. Again, a definition of iPSCs from the <a href="http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&amp;NRNODEGUID=%7b3C35BAB6-0FE6-4C4E-95F2-2CB61B58D96D%7d&amp;NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2fglossary%2easp&amp;NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#ips">NIH</a>:</p>
<p id="ips"><strong>Induced pluripotent stem cells</strong>—Adult cells reprogrammed to an embryonic stem cell–like state by being forced to express factors important for maintaining the &#8220;stemness&#8221; of embryonic stem cells (ESCs). Mouse iPSCs were first reported in 2006 (<a rel="external" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904174?ordinalpos=38&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" target="_blank">Takahashi and Yamanaka</a>), and human iPSCs were first reported in late 2007 (<a rel="external" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18035408?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&amp;linkpos=2" target="_blank">Takahashi et al.</a> and <a rel="external" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18029452?ordinalpos=3&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" target="_blank">Yu et al.</a>). Mouse iPSCs demonstrate important characteristics of pluripotent stem cells, including expressing stem cell markers, forming tumors containing cells from all three germ layers, and being able to contribute to many different tissues when injected into mouse embryos at a very early stage in development. Human iPSCs also express stem cell markers and are capable of generating cells characteristic of all three germ layers. Scientists are actively comparing iPSCs and ESCs to identify important similarities and differences.</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>Bill:</strong> I emphatically hope you see that I have tried to be as transparent as possible and am not using any deceit to obscure the situation and smuggle in an immoral practice under the fog of confusion. Above all, I want to honor God by pursuing the truth.”</p>
<p><strong>Robert: </strong>I appreciate your transparency and your desire to continue this conversation. Further, as I have caused offense, I ask for your forgiveness for the sake of Christ. By His grace, may all of us join in discovering and proclaiming the truth of the Lord of all Life in this &#8220;culture of death.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Fridge raiding and dumpster diving</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been having fun with &#8220;Bill&#8221; over at GetReligion.org. Here&#8217;s my recent reply: What Bill is proposing is that DNA be extracted from a person needing a transplant, say, for a liver. That DNA would be placed in an enucleated oocyte. Embryonic stem cells harvested from this clone (Bill objects to this terminology; let’s call [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having fun with &#8220;Bill&#8221; over at GetReligion.org. Here&#8217;s my recent reply:</p>
<blockquote><p>What Bill is proposing is that DNA be extracted from a person needing a transplant, say, for a liver. That DNA would be placed in an enucleated oocyte. Embryonic stem cells harvested from this clone (Bill objects to this terminology; let’s call him “Fred”) in the blastocyst stage would be used to generate an organ (like a liver) or tissue. Thus, deprived of life, Fred would be dead.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Bill notes that generating human organs this way “is not yet a medical reality.” In fact, as Bill surely knows, it’s more like untenable science fiction. If you want to get closer to reality, follow the money trail. The real scary (but profitable) stuff is in a) creating clones; b) designating them as non-human, non-persons; and then b) harvesting their complete organs.</p>
<p>My guess is that once we’ve raided the fridge at <em>in vitro </em>fertilization clinics, we’ll be dumpster diving for aborted fetuses.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can follow the entire discussion, following M.Z. Hemingway&#8217;s excellent March 3 article,  <a href="http://www.getreligion.org/?p=8880#comments">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Obama to release funds for embryonic stem-cell research</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert C. Baker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving away from &#8221;dogma&#8221; to &#8220;sound scientific practice,&#8221; as one adviser put it, President Obama is expected to sign a bill tomorrow reversing the government&#8217;s ban on using federal (read: your) money to fund embryonic stem-cell research. No big deal if you believe that human life begins at implantation, live birth, or doesn&#8217;t matter at all. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving away from &#8221;dogma&#8221; to &#8220;sound scientific practice,&#8221; as one adviser put it, President Obama is expected to sign a bill tomorrow reversing the government&#8217;s ban on using federal (read: <em>your</em>) money to fund embryonic stem-cell research.</p>
<p><em>No big dea</em>l if you believe that human life begins at implantation, live birth, or doesn&#8217;t matter at all. A <em>big deal</em> if you believe, as I do, that life begins at conception.</p>
<p>You can read about it at <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aRLJP31E75FU&amp;refer=home">bloomberg.com</a>, <em>et. al</em>.</p>
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